Why are people so frightened of sex?

topic posted Sat, February 24, 2007 - 9:43 PM by  Sam
Even here on Tribe pornography is supposed to be taboo. Pornography is merely materials that are sexually explicit and intended to cause sexual arousal. What is so wrong with becoming sexual aroused? What about sexual arousal frightens you or people you know? If people were less afraid of being aroused would they be less afraid of prostitution?
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    Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:09 PM
    Sexuality doesn't frighten me at all. I dont know why tribe is so prudish.
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      Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:11 PM
      Why do you think Tribe and most others in the world are frightened by sexually arousing images?
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        Sat, February 24, 2007 - 10:34 PM
        Quite frankly, I believe that sex is a taboo, not because men are offended by it (quite the contrary), but that women view sex (either intellectually or instinctively) as their one power, and it is cheapened if it is easy to attain. Like an economists ramblings, supply and demand. If the their is over supply, then the price goes down. Although religion is often sold as a paternalistic, patriarchal societal vehicle, I personally believe that quite the opposite is true. It suppresses the behaviors one associates with men, i.e. promiscuity (Don't covet they neighbors wife; the restrictions on divorce as stated by Jesus in the gospels..yadda yadda) and serve a constituency that does not favor promiscuity, and values stable relationships. Religioun suppresses sexuality (the Jewish faith not so much though). My answer to your question is that, the supression of sexualty is based on female, not male ethos. This is why prostitution is so reviled by many women (obvioulsy not the prostitues). It directly challenges and is a threat to their own sexual power. This is why you see a disproportionate number of prostitutes that are lesbians. They don't give a fuck about sexual power of men.
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          Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:36 AM
          Your response is very well thought out Maggie. I believe what you say is true in much of society. I too have always believed Christianity preaches women’s view of the world rather than men’s view. With Christianity primarily run by men it has lead to wholesale hypocrisy and a distortion of sexuality. However, if sex is women's only real power with men then relationships between men and women would never be good. A woman can also have the power of her mind, creativity and personality just as a man can. Within a healthy heterosexual relationship, sex needs to be mutual rather than power based. Only through mutuality can the bond be strengthened.

          Sex can be mutual between any two people of any orientation. Sexual power imbalances and mutuality can happen in lesbian and gay relationships as well. However, it is different when one is with someone of their own gender. I have enjoyed being sexual with men in the past because there is so much less game playing. Our love and desire for sex is mutual. Having sex when both people want sex is quite different then having sex after begging or paying for it. Sex with someone who really wants to be with me is a wondrous bond.
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            Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:47 AM
            I think your analysis is right on. I don't believe that sex is a woman's only power. But I believe that women believe it is their fundamental power, until they reach middle age anyway. Women's real power comes from their ability to define accepted morality, communicate and advocate the same, and bring into the fold the the few powerful men in society to enforce that view. The queen bee and wanna be behaviors are also instrumental. The ostracism of people for behaviours not deemed acceptable (like prostitution which is villified well beyond its importance). My view is that religion is a mechanism for gaining conformity from those people who are the most powerful and dangerous in society, that is young men. The genius of religion is selling it as a patriarchal vehicle, when in fact it is just the opposite. It is actually an abdication of responsibility...by placing responsibility on those people who administer the religion, but are not necessarily responsible for its tenets. What is really funny, is that the powerful men that do administer Christianity at least, are denied the benefits of power found in avenues of power expression (warriors), in that power is an aphrodisiac...but the benefits of this are necessarily denied in a Christian setting.
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              Sun, February 25, 2007 - 2:11 PM
              We are like minded on this issue. But you say, ". . . the powerful men that do administer Christianity at least, are denied the benefits of power found in avenues of power expression (warriors), in that power is an aphrodisiac...but the benefits of this are necessarily denied in a Christian setting." I believe that is why so many power Christian figures are hypocritically using their power to have sex on the side with either men, women or both.
        • What an astonishingly cynical analysis of "patriarchal" values. Wow. I love it.

          Whenever I rise above the norms of my gender to comfortably express any sort of sexuality, it is not the men who rise up to tear me down, but the women. I've often felt like I was going to get thrown out of the women's club. Perhaps this is why.
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          Thu, June 19, 2008 - 10:20 PM
          Don't entirely agree, or disagree.

          I think it does tend to be women who most strongly enforce the sex taboo. And I agree that a lot of this has to do with fear of losing their 'only' power in a patriarchal society. But I think the system that sets women up to believe that this is their only power is -not- primarily created or enforced by women. Religion has anti-sexual aspects for a huge number of reasons.

          I tend to doubt that it was a female idea that women would be consider male property, not be allowed to divorce(while their husbands could), could be sold, raped, or publicly humiliated should the men in their life say and find some justification, were not allowed in public places of worship, or to have their own professions, or be involved in community decision making. All part of old Rabbinical Law, and adopted by christianity by the 4th century.

          Not just a religious thing either, for a good chunk of Rome's non-christian history, similar(less intense) rules applied. Women had a place in society just above slaves, and could not become citizens(people who have rights) except through marriage. And this despite having a religion with some seriously hedonistic aspects, and powerful women.

          I do feel that the imbalance was always one that ended up pretty much sucking for both sides.

          It's interest though, in a day when women have rights, and personal power, the glass ceiling is slowly pushing upward, and equality is becoming a possibility, that the sex taboo is still so strong, and still held in place primarily by women.

          I think despite sexual equality being an -option-, young women are still heavily socially conditioned to think of sex as being their primary 'power', and so still guard it jealously.
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    Re: Why are people so frightened of sex?

    Sun, February 25, 2007 - 8:57 PM
    sexual arousal = shame for a lot of people. everyone knows that everyone has sex or there would be no kids. its not something something someone should talk about though because someone else might get sexually aroused or get the wrong idea about a person. its basically just a fear of what someone else will think. i dont see the big deal myself, but some peoplel do or seem to.
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    Sun, June 3, 2007 - 11:16 AM
    In tribe, the porn issue is due to being afraid to cover their ass from the Fed prosecution..IMO
    with the existing law regarding keeping the copy of model's id etc, many sites are simply not allowing explicit materials.

    That being said tribe folks do strike me as bit insecure about sex.
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    Sun, June 3, 2007 - 1:06 PM
    Fear of sex varies quite a bit from one culture or society to another... it's always based on whatever the local taboo is and there is only one universal human taboo -- that sex in every culture must be controled in *some* way. The *some* way varies *wildly*. There's a good bit of information about how sex is handled in different cultures in the Time Life book (oddly enough) titled Sex and Spirit. You can also check out Margaret Mead's Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies which is mentioned in Robert Anton Wilson's Prometheus Rising. For a modern example, the puritanical taboos about pornography that we have in the US aren't really found in much of Europe. Heck, the US is so puritanical that there's even loud debate in some places about women breast-feeding in public... which is a discussion most cultures find to be completely ridiculous. It's all about people reacting emotionally to the things their upbringing trains them to react emotionally about. The reason every culture insists on some moralization of sex is because there's an evolutionary advantage to tribal cohesion, because sex is a very potent physiological and emotional experience and because it's closely related to breeding of course and so therefore having a well-defined moral code where sex is concerned is an effective way of creating tribal cohesion and "social order". It's worked very well in tribal cultures -- it's only in the modern cultures of today that those of us who are able-minded and haven't been too terribly shocked by our early experiences are able to look back on the long line of sexual taboos and consider them silly... Because they are silly when transposed on modern society -- although in the cultures that evolved them, they made sense and promoted the welfare of the tribe (relatively speaking). One rather dramatic example is that island-bound tribal cultures throughout history have found some way to "cull" their population by choosing a specific trait (twins, birthmarks, etc -- arbitrary decisions) and then sacrificing any child born with that trait. To us these acts are far more than absurd, they're "evil" -- to the tribes that developed them, they were a "practical necessity" to control the population and prevent overpopulation from causing severe famine for everyone -- and they rationalized it at the time by saying that the gods would punish them (famine) if they didn't cull these children. Fortunately in today's world, famine is much less common and hopefully becoming less so every day. The reason people in our culture fear sex is because it's a holdover from the puritans who had a very stringent anti-sex morality. It's totally unnecessary in our culture today, but we still struggle with it and associated taboos like the gay-marriage debate merely because it's difficult for most people to see past the conditioned fear of chaos, which these days we describe as "the fall of western civilization" that many of us are convinced gay marriage will cause. We're just in the midst of the slow process of evolving past the need for those kinds of conditioning in recent years (and years to come) to reach a point at which there is free information flow and people can make their own informed decisions about what they want or don't want sexually (and in other ways).
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      Sun, June 10, 2007 - 10:45 AM
      I started posting in Ethical Slut, and realized there is huge fear of infidelity.
      I guess people cheat in poly community like anywhere else. Also I am scared of people who thump one book
      and refer to it as perfect solution to very complex problem. I believe completely NSA sex with a stranger also could be fun
      and be full of compassion.... boy that did not sit well in that group lol.
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        Sun, June 10, 2007 - 11:08 AM
        yeah I have nothing against the idea of NSA sex with strangers ... it's just not something I'm interested in most of the time ... for me personally the times that I've considered it have been generally when there's been something wrong in my life that I felt unable to resolve and I wanted to connect with someone but then the NSA sex didn't fulfill what I was looking for, so I haven't experimented in that regard in a long while ... but that's a purely personal thing ... I have no illusions that my own preferences are in any way morally superior to anyone else's.
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        Wed, June 13, 2007 - 5:23 PM
        "I started posting in Ethical Slut, and realized there is huge fear of infidelity.
        I guess people cheat in poly community like anywhere else. Also I am scared of people who thump one book
        and refer to it as perfect solution to very complex problem. I believe completely NSA sex with a stranger also could be fun
        and be full of compassion.... boy that did not sit well in that group lol."

        I have some of the same issues with both the Ethical Sluts tribe and the Polyamoury tribe. Interestingly, Janet Hardy, one of the authors of The Ethical Sluts, was recently embroiled in a thread on the tribe of that name, saying that she would consider infidelity ok in some circumstances and people freaked on her. Must have been very troubling to have the guru disagreeing with what you think the guru should be saying.
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          Mon, June 18, 2007 - 10:12 PM
          >>Must have been very troubling to have the guru disagreeing with what you think the guru should be saying. <<

          lol that's a chuckle. Suprise! an author is actually a person with lots of ideas, not a person who professes to agree with all their readers, all the time.
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    Tue, December 25, 2007 - 12:50 PM
    Hi, I'm new here, and this is a very interesting conversation. I think that most people who have a problem with sex are more ashamed of it than afraid of it. And the shame came from their upbringing, or religious indoctrination, often one and the same. Not having had any religion, and not much more upbringing, I never inherited the fear or shame, and just think sex is a wonderful thing, nothing dirty about it. And if I don't feel like going through the game playing to get to it the "normal" way, I feel I should be able to go buy some, just like I should be able to go buy anything else that would make me feel good. I have never paid money up front for sex, but I have been taken to the cleaners by a "gold digger" without realizing it at the time. The sex was wonderful, but I think I overpaid for it.
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      Tue, December 25, 2007 - 9:18 PM
      You over pay for sex. Hmmmm, wanna date?
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        Wed, December 26, 2007 - 3:19 PM
        Many of the reasons already stated are `social `reasons to be afraid of sex & are all true in one aspect or another ...but...the most potent reason for fear of sex is that it is our most base & primal instinct. & it is the primal or nature/animalistic part of us that `as yet` civilisation has not been able to accept. In some of my blogs you`ll find some of my thoughts around this most interesting & most telling part of ourselves as human beings...be us male or female.
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          Wed, December 26, 2007 - 10:03 PM
          Are people afraid of sex or afraid of the power dymanic? It is less of a social reason than a personal reason. People don't want to lose the power they have by granting or with holding sex.

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